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Only 966 years left of the 1000 year reign

by jwfacts in

part of the reasoning for the end coming in 1975 was that would be 6000 years after creation.

the 1000 year reign would start and the end of it would coincide with the 7000 rest for god (like an omnipotent god needed to rest after creation, but that is a different topic.).

the 1966 book life everlasting, which presented the idea that the end would be 1975 lists in the following table that the 1000 year reign ends in 2975.. that was a neat concept prior to 1975, but since armageddon did not come then it now makes watchtower eschatology look quite foolish, and more so with each passing year.

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The table in that 1966 book is not really the Society's...it was taken lock, stock and barrell from a bible scholar well before Russell's time I believe.

In any event, how they arrive at 1914 is independent of the dates in that table.

Since 1995 the Watchower interprets both Matthew 24: 29-31 and Matthew 25: 31-33 as FUTURE events, this despite saying he become King in 1914. Go figure.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-05-09 WT Study (PIERCED)

by blondie in

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11-12 par.

*** w56 3/1 p. 145 par.

*** w95 5/15 p. 25 par.

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A lot more can be said to highlight the falsity of the Society's teachings on who can partake of the emblems, who is in the new covenant, etc in this article. (You seem a bit tired lately Blondie). Where do you start on such a big topic? Heres a few points:

14."God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him [Christ], and through him to reconcile again to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." -Col. 1:19, 20.

Paul here says Jesus blood is the means for reconciliation regardless of whether it's something in heaven or on earth. If the means for the 'great crowd' to pass into a new earth is by forgivenss of their sins (which is the meaning of the new covenant) by Christ's shed blood then clearly they should partake at the memorial?

15. "The things in the heavens" that are reconciled to Jehovah by means of Christ's shed blood are the anointed Christians, called to reign with Christ in the heavens. Christians who are "partakers of the heavenly calling" are declared "righteous for life." (Heb. 3:1; Rom. 5:1. 18) Jehovah then begets them as spiritual sons. The holy spirit bears witness to them that they are "joint heirs with Christ." called to become kings and priests in his heavenly Kingdom. (Rom. 8:15-17; Rev. 5: 9, 10) They become part of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," and they are taken into the "new covenant." (Jer. 31:31-34; Gal. 6:16) As members of the new covenant, they are entitled to partake of the Memorial emblems, including the cup of red wine, of which Jesus stated: "This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf." --Luke 22:20.

But Jesus created two covenants: the "new covenant" and the "covenant for a Kingdom'. Where did Jesus say that the "new covenant" is anything to do with reigning with him in the heavens? Jesus only said this in relation to the "covenant for a Kingdom". This is a classic example of the Watchtower conflating both covenants to mean the same thing: only about ruling as kings in heaven. The new covenant is about forgiveness of sins and it applies to everyone who has faith in Jesus shed blood for forgiveness of their sins, irrespective of whether they feel a heavenly or earthly calling.

16. "The things upon the earth" are Christ's other sheep who have the hope of living forever on earth. To these also Jehovah's chosen Servant brings a righteous standing before Jehovah. Because they have faith in Christ's ransom sacrifice and thus "have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb," Jehovah declares them righteous, not as spiritual sons, but as his friends, giving them the wonderful prospect of surviving "the great tribulation." (Rev. 7:9, 10, 14; Jas. 2:23) Not being in the new covenant and therefore not having the hope of living in heaven, these other sheep do not partake of the Memorial emblems but attend as respectful observers.

But hold on a minute, the "other sheep" have NOT YET "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" because they great crowd is a FUTURE class, which the Society now admits. And in a 2000 QFR the Watchtower Society finally also admitted that the great crowd stands in the temple itself, the 'naos', not one of the outer courtyards. Rev 7 says the great crowd is "rendering sacred service" in the naos. Is it reasonable to think that the great crowd are sanctified enough to be described as standing in the temple itself rendering sacred service having been washed in the blood of the Lamb yet they are not in the new covenant and are thus not permitted to partake of the emblems? It's absurd and contradictory reasoning which is obviously false.

And who would the first century Christians have understood the "other sheep" to be? Who was Jesus talking to when he uttered John 10:16? Do you suppose first and second century Christians interpreted this to mean Jesus was prophesying about an unknown religious group who would have an earthly hope millinnia into the future, or do you think they would have realised that that Jesus was here talking about non-Jewish sheep who would be added to the Christian fold when Peter used the keys of the kingdom?

If you are a lurking JW who does not have a "heavenly hope" you should still partake of the emblems if you believe Jesus is your saviour and his blood acts for forgiveness of your sins.

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MEMORIAL SHOCK!!!!

by african GB Member in

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last year in my cong (well it's not really "my cong" as i'm just "in" for the sake of family) we had a new "partaker of the emblems".

it came as a shock because this man was only baptized in 2005.. his wife has been a dub from birth.. he was 63 when he got baptized, took "auxilliary" pioneer after 1 month...became a full-time pioneer after a year....became ms after 2years...made an elder 6 months later.....2008 he got "anointed"....we were all surprised at the amount of time he took to climb the jw corporate ladder....rumours are that he donated a car to our po when he (po) lost his job, and some other favours( this man is wealthy).... .

i'm looking forward to be "just an observer" at this year's memorial in my cong (i am thinking of partaking myself, but i sure would rather not,the "bread" is tasteless and the wine is of poor quality,...i don't wanna throw out at the ms serving the emblems)..... back to that man,...how long would it take him to become a gb member?.

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Reniaa is right from a purely scriptural perspective; all JW's, if they profess to be genuine Christians with the hope of everlasting life by means of Christ Jesus should partake. We should be commending this guy for having the balls to partake and mocking all JW's who mock him.

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WHAT DEFINES AN APOSTATE ACCORDING TO THE ELDERS?

by Hobo Ken in

listen to part 3 of the death or obedience podcast which charts the df'ing process from start to finish.. in this part the elders give a "sister" a grilling about her alleged apostasy and attemp to explain how god uses the organisation.. here is the link.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_3.mp3.

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She handles herself very well while all the elders can do is shoot the messenger and skirt around everything. All they wanna know is whether she's been reading stuff critifical of the organisation and attack her attitude etc. Trying to reason with thoroughly brainwashed members of a cult is impossible.

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2009 "Keep On the Watch!" Convention Preview

by garlic81 in

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2009 keep on the watch district conventionfriday - prove yourselves ready mt 24:44. am.

chairman's address.

conventions help us to remain watchful.

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Since 1969 only two Conventions have had a "end is near" type theme; 2006 and 2009!! I can smell the cool-aid being mixed!

2004 " "Walk with God" District Convention

2005 “Godly Obedience” "District Convention

2006 "Deliverance at Hand!" District Convention

2007 “Follow the Christ!” District Convention

2008 “Guided by God’s Spirit” District Convention

2009 “Keep on the Watch!” District Convention

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Historical development of the "great crowd" doctrine by Judge Rutherford

by yadda yadda 2 in

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can anyone kindly refer me to a good article/source that covers the whole development of the jw's "great crowd" doctrine, from russells early views right through to the 1930's 'behold...the great multitude" convention announcement by rutherford through to today.. would be much appreciated..

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I've since found some articles. Thanks for your help, not.

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WT description of getting anointed

by Kosonen in

the article "who.

reallyhaveaheavenly calling?

" watchtower 91 3/15, pages 19-22 have a description of how the anointing process happens.

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Romans 8 and Galatians 4. If you cry/pray "Abba, Father" to God with genuine conviction, like a child naturally addresses their real physical father, you have received the holy spirit and are "anointed". No need to come up with silly explanations like "Yes, this means me" and wotnot, as if some parts of the Bible are only meant for some Christians but not others. What contrived nonsense.

Whether you hope to go to heaven or have everlasting life on earth isn't the issue. The hope is not a location, it's a hope of everlasting life through faith in Jesus. The expression "heavenly hope" which the Society is so fond of saying is not found in a single scripture of the Bible.

The Society's teaching that the 'great crowd' are not in the new covenant and are not spirit-begotten sons of God is untenable. How can the great crowd be rendering sacred service in the naos itself yet not be "anointed'. Absurd.

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Newly "annointed"...

by lurk3r in

these ones who are in the organization that are "newly" annointed, it would seem they are kinda screwing things up for the gb and the society.

heard of what "spiritual" experience these ones go through, to have them identify themselves as such?

do all the "144,00" go through similar experiences.

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Yes you could say that Narkissos. The point I should have made clearer is that it is the sincere act of praying/crying to God as your "Father" that is the scriptural criteria for being a son of God. It is not merely some mysterious, quasi-supernatural inner feeling, as JW's seem to think.

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TYRANNY: Jah's Provision for "Wise Rulership"?

by cameo-d in

i notice a lot of people seem to simply repeat what they have been told about bible stories, even though it is in direct contrast to the evidence.. for instance, it is always said that "king solomon was the wisest ruler" and that he was "favored by god.".

according to scripture, solomon used forced labor to build his kingdom and temples.

he heavily taxed the people.. are we to believe this is god's loving provision for rulership?.

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What scriptures exactly?

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Who really is the slave? The Governing Body!!!

by Ultimate Reality in

with the june 15th article (on jw.org) about the slave and governing body, we can see the planned progression of breaking the slave from the domestics.

therefore, lumping the claimed-anointed and the great crowd in the same group for all intents and purposes.

7:9;john 10:16) should not individual members of the anointed and the "other sheep" trust the slave appointed over them?

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Ultimate Reality, I see the point you are making now, thanks. But I think you are reading too much into it. The terms "slave class", "slave" and "faithful and discreet slave" are hardly conflicting terms. I think they Society here intends these expressions t mean the same thing but they have just said it slightly differently, probably just to not sound too repetitive.

But there is no question that the reality is that the GB and it's committees and the Watchtower Society generally is really the entity doing all the teaching, if teaching is what the Society means by "feeding". In that sense, I agree with you that it makes a lot more sense for them to doctrinally split the GB/Watchtower off from the "domestics" since that is exactly what happens in practice. Maybe they will bring out some "new light" soon along those lines, especially if the number of partakers keeps escalating so much. I just don't see any real hint of that in this February 15 article.